Some members wrote to say the book's "stiff medicine was rightly prescribed" and brought them "to their senses," Edward Kimball writes, but when others "became discouraged by a standard that seemed to them unattainable, he wished he had communicated more understanding and encouragement. Allen Bergin, a retired Brigham Young University psychologist, says he has read "the ugly chapter on homosexuality Bergin says his affection for the Yoda-like Mormon prophet is undiminished, which is why the former BYU professor welcomes the book's apparent retirement.
He was truly a great person," Bergin says. Kimball's grandson Jordan Kimball echoes that sentiment. Even the church has moved on.
Some members of the late prophet's family, Jordan Kimball says, wished the now-anachronistic book could have been "allowed to sunset. Feb 10, Richard Dutcher rated it did not like it. A psychologically damaging book. Sep 11, Scott rated it did not like it Recommends it for: People who are perfect. I don't get why this is such a famous book within Mormondom. It is basically just a rule book.
I've heard that to soften the blow, you're supposed to start with the last two chapters, then read the whole book. To me the last two chapters were just so-so, and they definitely didn't make up for the harshness of the rest of the book. Do people really recommend this to people who suffering emotionally and struggling to gain forgiveness? I read this on my mission my most righteous period in my life I don't get why this is such a famous book within Mormondom.
I read this on my mission my most righteous period in my life. I was keeping the commandments and had nothing to get off my chest. It still pushed me to an unhealthy guilt. I still like Spencer Kimball, I just didn't like his book. I am open to the idea of someone enlightening me on why this is supposed to be such a great book. Feb 14, Kurt rated it it was amazing. The first half of this book will tear you down and make you feel like you need to go see your bishop for even the smallest little thing like taking the last Oreo cookie out of the cookie jar.
But then the last half of this book will show you the true power of the atonement and what Christ has done for us. I would recommend this book to anyone but remember to finish the whole book before you talk to your bishop. View 2 comments. Sep 17, Paul rated it did not like it.
The author, Mr. Kimball, has the audacity to suggest that a women would be better off dead than to give into a rapist. Is he suggesting that the victim bears at least some of the responsibility for such a horrendous deed?
He also suggests that masturbation may lead to homosexuality. There's a lot of judging in this book and very little about forgiveness. Aug 05, Amy LaVange rated it did not like it Shelves: religion. I'm not so sorry to say that I hated this book. Keep your forgiveness. View all 6 comments. Oct 26, Jess rated it it was amazing. How to rate this book Did I agree with every word?
Instead of feeling guilty, I felt the power and love in obedience, and felt strongly how there are real consequences for actions that the world tends to gloss over or mock. However, I find it a difficult book to read, though I would recommend this to anyone who is feeling like sowing their oats and repenting "someday.
Jun 27, Peter Boling rated it did not like it. Death is preferred over rape? Oct 01, -uht! Shelves: bullshit. Apr 09, Tamra rated it really liked it Recommends it for: Mormons with strong dispositions.
Shelves: own-currently. I read this book as a supplement to a RS lesson I was teaching. I'd read chapters in this book before when I was struggling with those topics , but hadn't made it past chapter 6, which everyone should skip.
Chapter 6 is an out-of-date view on homosexuality. The church approaches homosexuality differently now, and with more compassion. Some of the things were hard for me to take--like his opinion that women shouldn't wear shorts and that teenagers shouldn't drive cars. But when you focus on the d I read this book as a supplement to a RS lesson I was teaching. But when you focus on the doctrine and ignore some of the out-of-date funny stuff, he's right on. We all need repentence, and it is a miracle when you know you've been forgiven and you feel clean.
I marked in my copy all the parts that I liked, and I have a separate book where I wrote pages and pages of quotes. There is some priceless stuff in here. It's about forgiving others and it's phenomenal. I'd be willing to let anyone borrow this book to read.
Though I did do a lot of marking in it, and highlighting things I struggle with, so it'll be possibly too insightful into my life. Yeah, that list of sins on page 25? I marked 30 as sins I have or have had a problem with. I'm sure there's more. But that's why we have the Atonement.
And that is a miracle. View all 4 comments. Jun 11, Alicia Krauchuk Fenton rated it it was amazing. No particular reason to read, just heard it was good and decided to read it. It's uh A good tweak for the soul! I would recommend reading this book every few years or so just to, uh, keep on track. May 09, Wesmanlv rated it did not like it.
The main one being that is is just silly bigotry. Masturbation leads to homosexuality? Homosexuality leads to bestiality? Is Kimball for real? I am amazed at the numbers of raters to 'love' this book. Are they saying they actually believe such nonsense? And -if the book promotes those two lies, than i can only assume that on this book has several problematic issues. And -if the book promotes those two lies, than i can only assume that one should be cautious about what other lies the book contains.
This book is a complete waste of time and energy. Jan 02, Mike Martin rated it did not like it Shelves: mormonism. A horrendous book meant to use extreme guilt to make people conform to Mormonism's rigid lifestyle. It takes the most natural and healthy of human desire and turn it into deep "sin.
It even implies that this can lead to even further grotesque sexual perversion i. Overall, a book that can be very destructive to the very people it's supposedly trying to help. Jul 15, Chelsea Malcolm rated it did not like it. This book is full of so many wrong teachings.
It teaches rape culture and victim blaming under a thin layer of "but we love you anyway" type sayings. I want to take this off my list but I think I should keep it and add my review to the list. If you are thinking about reading this book please don't take it to heart, if you have read this book and been hurt by it- know that you are not alone.
In Kimball's book, everybody is evil, including the coffee drinker, but none more so than the homosexual. Is there any "thus saith the Lord" in that book? I'm angry that that book is even still in-print. I was sent another copy at one time I had 4 from my loving family when I left the Mormon Church.
You are never good enough. It is better to die than to have the appearance of sin. It is no wonder that where Mormon populations are highest Utah, Idaho, Arizona the use of anti-depressants is three times the national average. Read this book if you want to feel bad about yourself or if you feel the need for self flagellation. I found nothing uplifting in this book. She goes silent and won't discuss things that she doesn't want to hear about the church.
Since I was trying to "save" my gay husband when I was first introduced to this book, I read and reread the parts about gays and I always hoped that THIS TIME when I read it, some answer for the situation would jump off the page at me--that I wasn't picking up what the message was.
Just like the blessings I got from the bishop--I'd fast and pray and think "Okay, now I've done enough to finally get the answer" and the bishop would give me yet another blessing so I could handle this situation and NOTHING. All the praying in the world and the heavens were slammed shut.
Just another promise they make and can't keep. Did he miss anything? I don't remember any mention of white shirts or only one pair of earrings. You are not toast if you'll just pay your tithing and volunteer all of your time. Make sure you pay on gross though. Oops, I tripped--oh, heck; there goes the CK I never really thought about a lot of things in that list.
It's a pretty darn funny list, if you really read every word Holy cow--how can you escape that? Keep those impure thoughts out of your mind! It's a ridiculous idea. And, just in case that isn't enough, there are the "sins of omission. Not even funny.
At all. The whole book is like a giant lose-lose proposition, prompting many to comment that it should have been called, "It's a Miracle if You're Ever Forgiven. As a Man Thinketh Chapter Eight Thoughts are Things I hold it true that thoughts are things; They're endowed with bodies and breath and wings; And that we send them forth to fill The world with good results, or ill.
That which we call our secret thought Speeds forth to earth's remotest spot, Leaving its blessings or its woes Like tracks behind it as it goes. We build our future thought by thought, For good or ill, yet know it not. Yet, so the universe was wrought. Thought is another name for fate; Choose, then, thy destiny and wait, For love brings love and hate brings hate. I remember when I was little, my dad for some reason, even though I was only like 9, said, "If you lust after a woman in your heart you have already committed adultery.
I remember right after he said that that I though, "I'll never like a girl for as long as I live! I'm as repressed as a dirty-kneed, head-banging Mosqueito. Anyhow, how does this tie into Proverbs , you ask? Well, the passage is just not true. It actually causes severe religious OCD and could be one of the most destructive scriptures I can think of. It also brings horrible thoughts into someone's mind and then makes them linger. Have a thought about harming a child? A normal person would just think, "Well, of course I'd never do that Just because I thought of it, doesn't mean I am it.
Well, according to Proverbs , now you are one. Go spend a couple of days or months or even years brooding and ruminating on that and other topics while you beat yourself up mentally and conjure up worse and worse possibilities and imagine foul imagery in cog-dis fear that you might actually do it. I broke free from this cycle when I ditched religion as fact. No more Prozac.
Sorry to call you out, but I just had to pipe up on this specific subject, since it hits particularly close to home for me. Quentin Tarantino, Steven King, and Clint Eastwood clearly think about killing alot, but they clearly aren't killers. I make sculptures of Aliens, draw pictures of biblical figures, and make animations of strange creatures and violent and surreal situations. But none of those things are part of my daily reality or "who I am. But I didn't, and won't.
I'm not a murderer. My dad used this scripture to rebuke the content of my art. He has suggested I am on the path to being in that same category. Sorry, it's a shit quote from a shit BC testament. Very interesting.
I never interpreted that Proverbs verse in that manner. If I think I can, I can. If I think I can't, I can't. The old adage: If you take the T out of can't, you can! Thoughts are powerful, they are the chemical basis of our life, so to speak: our behavior, actions,feelings,emotions etc.
When needed, full repentance will require action on your part. If you are not familiar with the classic steps to repentance, such as confession and abandonment of sin, restitution, obedience, and seeking forgiveness, talk to a bishop or study a source such as President Spencer W. Richard G. Scott, Ensign Conference Edition , November , p. Bruce H. These people should read President Spencer W. One such example took place several years ago as I was having a pleasant conversation with a Mormon missionary in the Assembly Hall at Temple Square.
If Kimball was telling the truth, everybody is in big trouble. Check out www. For a witnessing sheet that can help you find references from this book, see the attached sheet located at the bottom of this article. For your witnessing efforts, we strongly encourage reading and owning your own copy.
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